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I forgot to mention, I did go hydro with autos, everyone including dad, is doing fine. In fact, I did some things to my girls not advised by most growers or forums. I fimmed one of my autos, and defoliated them at least 3 times, in addition to LSTing 3 of the girls. Can you tell which ones were abused & used? The stems of these ladies are bigger than 2 pencils. They are only 10 inches tall, but all are flowering.